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TCN duty in Kuwait

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 8:08 am
I'm headed to Ali Al Salem next month and have little info about the base or the job (NCOIC of TCN escorts). living in tents? can we go off base? hows the gym? If i bring a laptop, can i get on the network with it? Any info would help...thanks.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 12:08 pm
jriggs wrote:I'm headed to Ali Al Salem next month and have little info about the base or the job (NCOIC of TCN escorts). living in tents? can we go off base? hows the gym? If i bring a laptop, can i get on the network with it? Any info would help...thanks.



I know that the Comm people are in dorms right now (since i am here) .... Not much to do off base, haven't tried to get off base much... Gym is pretty good, a lot of workout equip and classes to do.... The wirless network is supposed to be up and running but still isn't. So no word if it will be up and running soon or not.....

anything else?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:18 am
every deployment I've been on, you are able to put your laptop on the network, provided that they re-format it and image to AF standards.

Also since you are a LN escort, you may be subject to not having rights to your own machine if the CS wants to be a d!ck. So have ERD commander handy if you want local admin rights.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:14 pm
I currently have 3 shop mates over there doing TCN duty, and I did it myself for the past 3/4 rotation from 11 Sep 06 til 25 Jan 07.

You will be in Security Forces there, unbeknown to you. I'm assuming you're either a Tech or a Master (Our NCOIC was a Master at the time, super was a Senior, but I know the following rotation's NCOIC was a Tech). Anyway, you'll have about 130ish people unless it has expanded. It wont shrink, they were always desperate for more bodies. You will also live in the dorms now, as during my rotation, the FP troops were all moved out of the tents into the dorms. The dorms are poor quality in general - hard tile floors with no carpets, but you'll prolly find some there waiting for you from the previous residents. Also, I believe they were hooking up some internet services to purchase for your rooms, and its wireless - however, dont quote me. Otherwise if not, you will have to use either the base network (which their Morale drive is actually QUITE good and there ARE ways to get the music off if you want to know how haha...), or pay $5 an hour at the stupid internet cafe which was slow as PISS (satellite connection).

On to the actual JOB, you can almost get away with doing nothing the whole deployment. Ours basically surfed all day, and took CLEPS and sh*t. You have to drive out to posts and ask for post briefings from the escorts (its a SF thing). In general the most COMMON problem you will find is by FAR, lates. Lates plagued all of us like crazy. The main problem was our scheduler was a female guard SSgt who befriended a ton of other airmen (yeah, airmen - and nobody did anything about it), and gave them all the cushy posts, and f**ked everyone else over. If you let your scheduler shift swap (IE, moving someone from a 1300 post to a 0530 post with no day off between), or change shifts erratically, lates will plague you too.

Other problems were SF's being dumb and getting us in trouble. One crashed a Hummer into a light pole about 20-30 times to knock it over...and video taped it. Did like, 3K in damage or more. Others got nailed for doing quick-draw's with their M9's, and of course video taping it. You will get ripped for this too as their favorite phrase is, "One team one fight HUAH!"

OTHERWISE, if they relaxed on some of the CRAZY A$$ rules SF came up with when I was there, you might get to do some cool things, like get your ATV certifications. Oh yeah! Be prepared be prepared to run concrete convoy's. This can be quite stressful, but our NCOIC enjoyed it.

Anyway, all in all, I enjoyed my deployment since SF actually did, for the most part, treat you like you were one of them. Minus some of the SF douche's that just couldnt get it through their head that you were part of them.

Oh, and to answer other questions, you cant leave base to go on tours without an SF escort. Gym was decent. Laptops cant go onto the base network at all. And even if they could, the network is EXTREMELY limited. Just enjoy the MoraleWeb while its there....TONS of TV shows, movies, and music on it. Any other questions, feel free to e-mail me - I worked with our NCOIC a LOT.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:09 pm
Just had a coworker comback from there and only heard two complaints. One, sleeves down the entire time. Two, no smoking/chewing while on duty.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:13 pm
Ummm just a heads up, i am working closely with the morale drive, and don't come in expecting to pull whatever you want off the morale drive, contrary to earlier comments, it has been locked down ..... just a heads up :wink:
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kerryquick wrote:Ummm just a heads up, i am working closely with the morale drive, and don't come in expecting to pull whatever you want off the morale drive, contrary to earlier comments, it has been locked down ..... just a heads up :wink:


It was locked down when we were there too, of course. Leave it to the 3C0X2's to figure out a way around that haha

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Niagara Falls, huh? My hometown is North Tonawanda. Was JUST back there on vacation 2 weeks ago...miss the pizza/wings already. You at the guard base I take it?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:46 pm
yea, its nice i like it here, and no doubt a 3c2 could work around it, the way the new guy locked it down makes it next to impossible.....

i cant wait to go back home and get some pizza and wings.... YUM :mrgreen:
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:57 pm
kerryquick wrote:yea, its nice i like it here, and no doubt a 3c2 could work around it, the way the new guy locked it down makes it next to impossible.....

i cant wait to go back home and get some pizza and wings.... YUM :mrgreen:


Love em! Ever go to Duffs? I always got my Pizza from Payne Avenue if you ever go through NT. Yum yum. But thats the best part, every place is different somehow :)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 12:13 am
Duff's is outstanding, and Payne ave has some good pizza too..... you are right, every place brings something else to the table... thats why we rock!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:26 pm
i just got tagged for ali al salem tcn duty early next year, does anyone know the rules on volunteering to extend?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:18 pm
yea, dont
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:44 pm
In a word, don't.

I was there doing the exact same thing in the spring of '06. There were a lot of people that wanted to extend at the beginning. There was even one guy that got held over a few weeks from the rotation before us because he extended. He was sent to Iraq and everyone in our rotation got denied. By the time we found out we were all thankful it didn't go through. You get used to the environment and the area but it gets old.

If your rotation is anything like ours there will be plenty of drama too. TCN duty pulls from a variety of different career fields and all kinds of people. I'd say a lot of the people that you'll find there are the rejects of their units who got tasked to just get rid of them for a while. Of course you'll have some that volunteered just so they can feel like what they're doing is important. Perhaps even a few good people that just got screwed. The mix of all these personalities reminded me a lot of high school, in a bad way.

There is a slim possibility that you might not hate your time there. A large factor in this is leadership. If you have bad leadership it will be next to impossible to take anything from it, but you can't control that.

Something you can control is who you hang out with. With 130 people everyone's going to figure out pretty fast that you can't all hang out together and so the clicks emerge. Unfortunately for me I was sick for the entire first month so no one wanted to hang out with me. I spent some of my time hanging out with whoever no one else wanted to hang out with and the rest of my time alone. Make friends.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:49 pm
alright, i was just curious cus i know my unit will probably never get a tasking again so i figured id milk this one.
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kerryquick wrote:Ummm just a heads up, i am working closely with the morale drive, and don't come in expecting to pull whatever you want off the morale drive, contrary to earlier comments, it has been locked down ..... just a heads up :wink:


haha. yea, i had multiple ways around you guy's defenses. ill be back soon, and i look forward to seeing how i will be pulling your streams this time. :mrgreen:

also, does anyone know if they got the wireless working properly, or does it still suck?
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flyingfishsandwich wrote:If your rotation is anything like ours there will be plenty of drama too. TCN duty pulls from a variety of different career fields and all kinds of people. I'd say a lot of the people that you'll find there are the rejects of their units who got tasked to just get rid of them for a while.


**100% agree, most of the people who are TCN escorts are people who can't deploy on a regular UTC like Comm. People like medical techs, a lot of crew chiefs, and what not.

flyingfishsandwich wrote:Of course you'll have some that volunteered just so they can feel like what they're doing is important. Perhaps even a few good people that just got screwed. The mix of all these personalities reminded me a lot of high school, in a bad way.


**I volunteered solely for the money, so I had no problem getting paid for what I was being asked to do.

flyingfishsandwich wrote:There is a slim possibility that you might not hate your time there. A large factor in this is leadership. If you have bad leadership it will be next to impossible to take anything from it, but you can't control that.


**If your NCOIC or Superintendent won't fight for your shop, then expect some road bumps. I recommend sucking it up and not whining because whining just aggravates the situation. You will hear plenty of it from people who can't stand heat and long hours. EXPECT IT.

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Make friends.

I would add to that as make friends outside of your shop. My shop got extremely childish after the 90 day mark and started gossiping and backstabbing each other left and right. I stuck with two people from my base that came with me and whom I was cool with and didn't have all the problems that TCN friends make.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:57 am
it took 90 days. it was about a month in we started having all the scandals and backstabbing and bitching. I did TCN duty last year in Kirkuk Iraq.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:28 pm
Did TCN duty in Qatar in 04, and definitely a gossip pot. We were allowed alcohol, so the drama was from day one. At least you will be in Kuwait (did a rotation there too), and you won't have to deal with alcohol. Definitely had a great time with the morale web. Got caught up on my Rescue Me and Arrested Development :lol:

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