It doesn't. Other than the fact that I'm saying it's not hearsay, it's statistically proven that an organic lifestyle has it's benefits which greatly outweigh the costs of organic food especially when dealing with those who have been diagnosed with possibly terminal illnesses.

Also you stated that "no one knows why cancer forms" and I stated that is not true. They know what causes cancer they just don't know why some people are more easily susceptible or prone to the carcinogens in their environment.

Would it be fair to say that if doctors don't know why some people aren't affected, that they don't know why some are affected?

When I said that no one knows why cancer forms, I mean that although they have identified certain chemicals, bacteria, viruses, in nature that mutate cells that it is by noting a statistical correlation and not by identifying specific changes that cause cells to mutate and grow sporadically.

When I said that it was hearsay, I was reffering to the stories of people who eat a certain thing or do a certain thing and are miraculously restored.

As far as a link between organic food and health, I don't see the proof. I see that eating healthy, in general, can cause you to be less susceptible to anything, including cancer. It is a good practice and a good suggestion, but it's not science, nor is it a cure.

Until specific catylists are identified in detail and treatments are devised then organic food is no more than people trying to hedge their statistical bets. Afterall, chemicals sound bad, so it's an easy sell, but the truth is you can eat organic your entire life and half a tumor the size of mini me.

I should show this to my girlfriend who shops at trader joes all the time.

lol

people buy expensive crap because.. its expensive.

I'd agree with you in that is why people by Sony and Apple(thrown in for Lifeline)products. But I don't think it really applies to more expensive food, unless you're asserting that those people are assuming it's better for them and thus do not have to read the labels or do any thinking for themselves about the product.

You could sell bottles of piss as long as slap "Organic" on the bottle.

Buying organic is food-snobbery.

Only if you're getting the piss from animals/people on a completely "Organic" diet. Otherwise you couldn't legally label it "Organic".

Oh grow up. How is it food snobbery?

Allow me to answer your question with another question. How are you doing?

I see a lot of snobby-ness from some people, and I don't think any of them eat organic foods. Organic is damn cheap at the commissary here. I don't know how somebody can actually have a problem *against* organic. YUM CANCER.

Seriously how can you have a problem with normal?

Because it's easier to just claim the people who are watching the sources of their food are a bunch of dumb snobs who want to spend more money on their food, then it is to pay attention to where the food comes from that you're stuffing your face with.

Ooohh boy bring on the Cheetos, and artificial colors and flavoring and GMO developed foods cause they're CHEAP, woo hoo!!! I love me some chemicals and carcinogens and you know what I'm gonna move into that house right next to the Oil refinery and under the high voltage power lines. In fact I think I'm just gonna spray Raid on all my food to make sure all them bugs is double killed.

Sounds cheap therefor cool and un-snobby, right?

I'M AWESOME LOOK HOW MUCH I *DON'T* CARE!

But that's the funny thing. We have pretty good Farmers Markets here and the prices are better for produce than what I'd pay at Safeway and Albertsons. They even have butchers there that sell the non steroid/antibiotic meat for the same prices as the grocers.

Maybe it's just because I live in hippieville Oregon but the price argument is a crock to me. Plus I feel better supporting my local farms and economy than buying some apples grown in freaking Mexico.

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you, your food snob.

The article says Oregon has better prices for organic food, because there is more of it. It's not the same in other places.

Yeah I'm a food snob, I'm so bourgeoisies because I think it's smarter to be concerned with the food and medicines that are being introduced to my body. It is pretty ignorant to climb up on a high horse when you're only complaint against organic is that it's more expensive. We're not talking about food that is unobtainable in price, this isn't like choosing between a $10 woot T-shirtand a
$180 T-shirt we're talking about something that directly affects your health and well being.

But then again some of you who are arguing against "expensive" food are probably clothing snobs and find what's on the outside of your body is more important than what's going in the inside of your body. Some of you are probably that same club type mentality that feels it necessary to douse yourself with nauseating amounts of expensive cologne and throw on your Affliction t-shirt and your Lucky Brand jeans and get into your poser $40K vehicle and head to the club and fill your body with obnoxious amounts of $12 drinks.

Wow. There's like... this really long table filled with pots, kettles, and tea sets. It's so weird how both sides of the table look identical!

It has always fascinated me, how people worry about how others spend their money. I remember my first NCOIC remarking about how stupid I was for buying my brand new Mazda 3 and "wasting money" as he pulled out his fourth cigarette in the early part of the day. a$$hole.

If people want to buy organic food, that's their choice. Buy your imported produce from South America saturated with DDT, and enjoy it! I buy standard produce because I don't much care for the prices of organic food where I'm at. I just find the accusations of snobbery going back and forth to be absolutely hilarious.

You're right, Parn. Can't we all just get along? I apologize for my "Organic" cola laced tirade(just kidding of course, I mean who the hell would drink that discusting stuff right?), may you all enjoy spending your money on whatever you wish to spend it on, unless of course if it's guns, booze, or tobacco cause even the government doesn't think you should be allowed to buy any of that crap.

You know, it's so weird hearing people talking about these supposed carcinogens in the non-organic stuff. I've never heard of a real study being done to prove that people are more likely to get cancer from eating non-organic. What I do know on the topic is that the chemicals used to protect and enhance crops are helping more than harming. They provide full crops that are better-developed and healthier than if they were grown naturally. The whole growth process is regulated and controlled to produce the best product in the largest quantities. It's not just about keeping bugs off - they're encouraging crops to grow better as well.

With organic, your crops are left to Mother Nature to decide its fate. Bugs may destroy a good chunk of the crop. Not as many fruits and vegetables will be fully developed, which means you'll be hard-pressed to pull a good crop out of what's left. Sure, the final product may be chemical-free from start to finish, but it's almost not worth it with the small amount you're able to produce from that. Not in today's market, which demands a lot of product. On top of that, if the whole world switched to organic, our world hunger problem would probably quadruple. Chemically-enhanced crops have been contributing greatly to help end world hunger. Of course, it may never fully go away, but we're able to minimize it by a ton thanks to non-organic foods.

The thing that pisses me off is the paranoia of those who know little about the process of chemically-altering foods. They get this image of a mad scientist doing insane experiments that will poison and/or kill the masses when they hear "chemically-enhanced" or "genetically-modified". I assure you, we wouldn't just start messing with our food without verifying first that it's not going to kill anyone. The chemicals used to enhance crops are pretty strictly regulated.

Sure, some of the chemicals used to enhance or protect non-organic crops may be absorbed by the produce, but the small amount that actually does get absorbed is so miniscule that it can't really do any harm unless you're stuffing your face with hundreds of tomatoes or something every few hours. You'd probably have to marinate your produce in the chemicals and eat tons of them before it might show some long-term effects on your health. Besides, it's been proven that even poisons can be good for you in small enough quantities.

Even a lot of hadcore foodies will tell you that there isn't evidence, but follow up with "but still 10 chemicals is better that 40 chemicals". I can't argue with that logic though. I still can it food-snobbery, just like those damned vegetarians! Especially the ones who look down on you if you like a big fat steak. I remember in speech class there was this chick from LA, and her report was about the poor animals *shudders*.

It's holier than thou for the new century, not to mention the number 1 reason for the recent increase in smug.

Don't even get me started on vegetarians. They're the biggest hypocrites in the world. Vegetables are living creatures too! Just because it doesn't have a face on it makes it okay to eat it? Just because it doesn't scream when you yank it from its stalk and hack it up doesn't make it any less living. We all eat other living things to survive. If you don't, your health will fail and you'll eventually die.

Did'ja know one of the only natural ways to get protein without eating meat is through kidney beans? If you're a vegetarian and you're not eating a regular dose of those each day, you'd better be stocking up on protein supplements (which, by the way, are extracted from sources such as meat). Your body expects to be filled with meat to survive. Denying yourself that just makes you a Darwin Award candidate in my book.

Okay I don’t normal involve myself in the flame war post or do the trolling thing so just going to post my personal experience. I am a red blood American red neck who has been eating Wal-Mart and Commissary foods for the past 33 years. I recently started developing multiple health symptoms and after trying all possible solutions to include surgery to relieve the pain I switched to Organic foods. Read Master your metabolism by Jillian Michaels and the results speak for themselves. I work out less due to profile and pain threshold but I have lost 23 pounds in 3 months all fat. I feel better and I am happy with my continued fitness goals. Organic may be crap and hippy related and any other thing but it works for me and it works for others if you don’t like it continue to eat your McDonalds and I will eat my organic and you will be happy and I will be happy. My fitness goal is to reach 200lbs and I am well on my way thanks to the benefits of eating organic avoiding foods with contents I can’t pronounce and working out to the best of my ability 5 days a week.